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Katie: Good day, and welcome to “The Wellness Mama Podcast.” I’m Katie from and That’s wellness with an E on the top, my new line of non-public care merchandise. Make sure to examine them out. This episode is all about one of many instruments I exploit to remain productive and arranged, and that I really feel is a particularly priceless device. And I additionally really feel like I’m not utilizing it in addition to I might be. It’s known as Notion, and it’s an app that can be utilized on telephone or desktop. It integrates with each. And there appear to be countless methods of utilizing it. I’m not at all an knowledgeable. So I’m right here with the methods knowledgeable, Sandra Halling, who’s a enterprise strategist and system consultants, who loves the technological aspect. She’s been doing completely different types of this for 20 years. And now she brings her company expertise and her strategic pondering to assist small companies and entrepreneurs and people at implementing Notion and find out how to use that to create a framework that helps her private life. She focuses on group and she or he guides her purchasers by way of creating private {and professional} initiatives inside Notion. And we go into a few of these ways in which she does this as we speak. And it is vitally a lot a visible factor. So we discuss by way of as a lot as we will simply verbally right here, however she’s additionally gonna have a hyperlink within the present notes at, that may take you to her website and to some extra visuals on find out how to really implement this in addition to she is likely to be keen to do a mixed course for mothers and households of find out how to use this particularly for these associated subjects. So, once more, I discover this a really, very useful device however I’m not at all an knowledgeable at utilizing it and I wished to herald Sandra as we speak to go deeper on Notion. Sandra, welcome. Thanks for being right here.

Sandra: Hello. Thanks, Katie.

Katie: I’m so excited to talk with you and be taught from you as we speak. One of many subjects that’s at all times developing after I ask the listeners what they need me to speak extra about is issues like group and productiveness. And an app that I’ve been most likely not even effectively utilizing, that has made my life a lot simpler known as Notion. And I really feel like I’ve a ton of room for enchancment in how I exploit it. And I additionally really feel like that is an incredible device that isn’t tremendous well-known but, particularly amongst mothers. And I feel it may be completely unbelievable. So, to start out with, I do know that you’re an knowledgeable on this, which is why I used to be so glad to talk with you as we speak however stroll us by way of on a really broad degree what Notion is.

Sandra: Okay. So, Notion at its core is form of like a database. However I say that phrase, and generally folks run for the hills. So simply know that, whenever you’re first diving into it, it’s actually like….. It’s a no code software, which suggests it’s very simple to arrange and configure. And it’s meant to do all the things below the solar from deal with notes, and duties, to collaboration. And one of many lovely issues about Notion is which you could cross-reference and sync knowledge from all areas of your life to all different areas. In order that signifies that it’s very versatile on the subject of designing your individual private dashboard that is sensible to you and the way in which you wish to run your loved ones, run your life, run what you are promoting, and so forth.

Katie: Yeah, I really feel like I’m solely starting to barely scratch the floor of understanding what number of makes use of it has. And I exploit it for enterprise and likewise for form of family administration and simply retaining observe of all the things I must do in my very own life in addition to, like, long-term aim monitoring. I observe one thing known as OKRs or aims and key outcomes for each enterprise and private, and I preserve all of these issues in Notion. However I do know earlier than we began recording, you talked about a extremely good level, which is that there’s a studying curve on the subject of Notion. And I feel anytime we’re speaking, like, excessive degree group, it might appear overwhelming at first. Definitely after I first began utilizing Notion, I used to be slightly bit caught so far as find out how to create methods in it. And I ended up having to form of go define all of the issues I wanted to determine find out how to handle after which work from there versus simply attempting to start out creating in Notion. So if somebody’s new to it, how can they form of keep away from that overwhelm or what’s a superb place to begin simply to begin to be taught or begin to determine what you’re going to place in Notion to start with?

Sandra: Yeah, so one which I might throw on the market for a brand new consumer is nearly all the notebooks and post-it notes and shoe containers that you’ve got round with numerous tidbits of knowledge, all the things from just like the whiteboard in your kitchen, the place you retain your menu, at the least that’s what I do, you recognize, uber nerd over right here. However all the little locations the place you’ve gotten items of knowledge that you simply don’t wanna lose observe of and begin fascinated about these as elements of your life that you can deliver collectively in a coherent complete. So if you happen to might have form of a one-stop store for simply getting the heartbeat of issues, what would that appear like in a really perfect world? And even, like, breaking out the crayons and, like, drawing it out within the early days is a extremely good mind-set about it. As a result of Notion actually is so versatile. I feel it’s price taking the time to customise it for your self. After which the second factor is I additionally wouldn’t, like, overdo that as a result of Notion is healthier whenever you begin utilizing it as quickly as doable, versus attempting to construct the proper system earlier than you dive in. And that’s the opposite factor I see folks do loads is, like, soar in after which get so enthusiastic about how enjoyable it’s to design it as a result of it truly is enjoyable if you happen to like taking part in round in these kinds of issues after which overlook that it’s meant to truly make your life simpler and never form of be a distraction rabbit gap. So, it’s like discovering that glad medium between placing some thought into what you need it to appear like, what goal you need it to serve, what info do you would like you can arrange higher or had higher observe of? So my company purchasers are normally level to love their Google Drive is a multitude or their stuff buried in Slack.

However my, like, private purchasers give it some thought extra for, like, you recognize, monitoring their chore sheet, or funds, or perhaps well being methods, or simply various things on the private aspect, even hobbies. It’s an incredible place to trace info on hobbies. So, it’s form of like getting the lay of the land of all of the classes after which fascinated about how you’d wanna deliver it collectively and being actually helpful with your self, such as you talked about. I really like that you simply talked about the OKRs as a result of I observe these as properly. I feel it’s an incredible place to have the ability to do that top degree planning in addition to the low degree daily job planning. I feel that’s one thing to consider is also, like, after I construct my system, one of many issues I’ve performed is I’ve time-based perspective. So I’ve, like, a day by day web page, a weekly web page. However then I even have form of matter perspective. So I’ve a enterprise homepage and a private homepage, after which additionally issues for hobbies and so forth. So it’s form of wanting on the classes. After which the third factor I’ll throw out, proper off the bat is, like, ensure that if you happen to fall down the plethora of knowledge on YouTube, about Notion is that you simply go to Notion’s official channel and have a look at the movies. And I at all times counsel that even for my, like, superior customers, as a result of Notion, as an organization, once they put out movies, they focus extra on the options and the way it works, versus, like, software and templates. And there’s numerous info and examples out on YouTube about other ways of approaching it and, like, completely different templates. However generally what will get misplaced in that’s, like, the actually easy core ideas of what’s a web page and what’s a desk? And so, like, what are the constructing blocks inside Notion that you simply use to configure your system?

Katie: Bought it. Okay. So I’d like to undergo slightly bit of those form of perhaps get some recommendation step-by-step on issues which are largely universally relevant to folks listening. So, issues like all of us must eat and most of us are planning meals for our households. And I’ve, you recognize, instruments like Actual Plans that I exploit to do that however I additionally preserve my meal plan in Notion, together with like a seasonal rotating meal plan. However you talked about a meal plan being a factor that’s nice to trace in Notion that I totally agree. So, stroll us by way of form of how somebody can begin doing that or what sort of, I suppose not template, what sort of system they need to arrange in there to have the ability to construct on?

Sandra: Yeah. So, by way of, like, meals and meal plans, specifically, one of many issues that I like to recommend to folks typically is to consider their teams of knowledge, form of like separate buckets. So, for instance, I’ve a recipe log the place I’ve completely different web sites. And I’ll go on the web site and seize the prettiest image of no matter it’s and put that on the prime after which have the directions and any form of notes in there. However separate recipe log, I even have a totally separate desk for, like, my menu plan. So it’s like what day am I planning to eat what, proper? And from there, I hyperlink that. Really, it’s simply round with this yesterday, my Sunday afternoon on which was taking part in round with making this work even higher than it has earlier than. So, I’m form of tremendous excited to speak about it as we speak. And that’s that I linked it into what I name my day by day journal or my form of, like, my digital bullet journal, if you’ll. So, I’ve this day by day homepage that I am going to that has all these reflections, which I can get into in a second. Nevertheless it has the hyperlink to journaling questions and my habits. Like, am I ingesting my water? Am I exercising? That great things after which it additionally has this show of my week and can really inform me what I plan to eat, or no matter I plan to make for dinner. And Notion has all these nice completely different show codecs, if you’ll. So, one of many issues I can do is definitely set this up in order that there’s a reminder that if we’re having stir fry for dinner, I ought to make the rice at lunchtime so I don’t overlook. You realize, it’s like that little stuff that may make our lives a lot simpler. And so determining find out how to arrange my gallery view in Notion. So it not solely shows a fairly image of the recipe to entice me, to start out dinner prep after I ought to, and it additionally tells me, like, “Hey, what can I do at lunchtime to make my night slightly smoother?”

In order that’s form of, like, structurally how I do a meal. I’ve the completely different tables, however I’ll say, like, to even form of zoom out or go to an much more larger degree, one of many issues I prefer to level out for Notion customers is that whenever you’re beginning out, what’s the distinction between a web page and a desk? And the way do you make tables relate to one another in a means that makes issues simpler? Tables might be fairly particular in it’s goal. Like I used to be saying, I’ve a recipe desk, however that’s very separate from my meal plan desk. And that’s separate from my digital bullet journal and behavior monitoring desk. And by doing issues like that, it offers you slightly extra flexibility and management about what you show the place. And, you recognize, Notion, it’s onerous to speak over audio, proper, how versatile it’s. And I’m certain you can converse to this too, the place you simply can management so many little nuances of what you see on numerous screens and dashboards. It’s in contrast to some other residence upkeep or, you recognize, effort I’ve put into monitoring, like, simply all these issues that go into managing residence life, actually.

Katie: That’s superior. Yeah, I really feel like I exploit this in so many various methods as properly. And like I stated, I don’t even assume I exploit it practically as effectively as lots of people, and particularly as you. You simply talked about a day by day homepage. And I really like this concept form of like a management middle for all the things you’d put into Notion. Are you able to stroll us by way of form of, like, the way you set that up and all of the issues that you simply carry on there, and the way you then go from there and to all the things else you observe?

Sandra: Yeah. Yeah. So I really like that you simply requested that as a result of my day by day web page is definitely the place I begin my day, each day. And in reality, it’s so crucial to my course of that oftentimes… It’s additionally the place I finish my day if I’m being according to my habits. And so, I’ve… One of many issues I love to do is do examine ins at numerous level in the course of the day. And for me, a check-in is a set of questions that I prefer to ask myself to only form of, like, actually examine in to see how I’m feeling that day, what I wish to accomplish that day, if there’s something I’m worrying about, actually only a pause from form of the, I hate to say grind as a result of that’s probably not what I imply. However you get what I’m saying. Like, that day in day trip the form of, we get into automated pilot, a greater means of claiming it. And having the check-ins for it’s a big means of me zooming within the midst of the day and deciding how I would like a few hours to go. So, my day by day web page is the place I’ve my examine ins positioned and I set these up as template button. So I’ve a preset checklist of questions which are in a web page. And so all I’ve to do is click on the template button and it pops open a brand new web page with all my questions and I fill them out. After which I suppose all in a mirrored image database. So I can go and see that, like, you recognize, on December 14th, I used to be speaking about steadiness. That’s the tag I’ve on it for this morning. After which from there on my day by day web page, I’ve a hyperlink to a separate desk, the one I used to be speaking about for form of, like, the day by day habits. And in that desk, I observe an entire slew of issues from, like, I’ve checkboxes for did I sweat? Did I stretch? Did I meditate? Did I do my morning pages? Did I do a thought mannequin? Did I take drugs, nutritional vitamins, so on and so forth? So you can go down the laundry checklist of the issues that you simply preserve observe of for your self.

And, you recognize, that is multi functional desk however I show it in several sections. So, I don’t must assume by way of it abruptly on a regular basis. I get by way of what I’m a given second. And so, this day by day web page, it really has, like, I feel 4 sections to it. And so there’s a web page that’s worthy of my consideration at 5:00 within the morning after I’m, like, pre-coffee and simply attempting to get my mind in right here. However there’s additionally a piece of it that’s like noon examine in and a piece of it that’s extra in the direction of the top of the day. And in every of those areas, I exploit my behavior tracker and I show completely different fields. So completely different properties. So, within the morning, the one factor I actually care about is, like, did I bear in mind to take…? You realize, did I bear in mind to have some water and what time did I get up? That form of factor. However later within the day, there’s fields for meals and monitoring signs. Like, I’ve power sinus points so I observe all of the signs associated to that simply so I can see going again, “Oh, hey, you recognize, this has really been bugging me for a few weeks now, not simply a few days. And simply offers me all this wealthy details about what’s happening in my world from a daily foundation. In order that’s form of how I soar off from the day by day web page.

Katie: I’m taking notes and mapping out all this stuff that I would like so as to add to mine. So, discuss slightly bit extra about templates as a result of I feel this is without doubt one of the big strengths of Notion. And I do know that there appears to be a capability to share templates as a result of I’ve used templates that different folks have created. I haven’t gotten excellent at creating my very own templates but however this has been on my checklist as a result of numerous the issues I do are repetitive. And creating them as a template, like a day by day to do checklist or weekly planning for my crew, issues like that, it appears actually, actually useful. So, stroll us by way of some great benefits of templates and find out how to form of determine find out how to use them.

Sandra: Yeah. So, the phrase template is utilized in a few other ways and form of the Notion sphere if you’ll. So, the excessive degree model of a template is, like, you recognize, you’ll be able to construct out no matter you need your pages and tables to appear like, after which you’ll be able to really share that complete setup with different folks. And so, whenever you say you’ve introduced templates into your system, that’s what you’re speaking about there. There’s really a strategy to share it on the internet. And whenever you first go into Notion, you’ll be able to, like, click on the duplicate button on a shared template and it’ll switch that complete setup into your setup. So after I work with purchasers privately, that’s typically what we do is as soon as I get them arrange with the fundamentals, and so they’re rocking and rolling, and so they’ve acquired the technical expertise down, which solely takes, you recognize, an hour or two to do, then we switch my template into their system. My template’s slightly little bit of a whopper, proper, as a result of I, you recognize, do that day in and day trip. And that’s one strategy to form of streamline issues is to search out an individual that you simply like Notion already, you recognize, both by way of YouTube or no matter, after which both buy or search for a free template which you could switch in your system. It’s an enormous time saver as a result of these templates, in the event that they’re designed properly will include all these tables that we’re speaking about pre-linked collectively. So that you don’t have to take a seat there and form of figuring all of the structure. It additionally eases issues from the standpoint. I prefer to say that Notion doesn’t have an opinion about the way you handle what you are promoting or your life. And in order that’s each a superb factor and a nasty factor. And it’s that them not having an opinion signifies that it’s a must to have an opinion. All of us have time for ourselves, how are we utilizing Notion, the place are we gonna begin our day? What’s gonna be a very powerful? After which, however it signifies that we get to determine all that stuff, versus having to fall into regardless of the software program developer determined was the easiest way to do one thing.

In order that’s templates at a excessive degree. However there’s additionally templates inside the system which are like for any given database, you’ll be able to have a template that might prefill info. So, like, finest instance for me is in a piece, I’ve a template specifically for my assembly log, if you’ll. And so, after I began new issues, say, I’ve a brand new gross sales plan or one thing like that, I even have prefilled questions that I like to ensure I ask. And so, after I begin a dialog of that nature, I can simply press a button on that desk, launches a brand new web page, with all of these questions preloaded… So I don’t even have to consider it. One other means could be perhaps, like, you’re working a podcast, for instance, sure steps that you simply comply with for the podcast, most likely on a weekly foundation, on a month-to-month foundation episode. And so, these form of checklists, if you’ll, might be their very own template in a system so that each time you begin a brand new podcast, you recognize, content material calendar in your month or your quarter might open that up and also you’d have all new checkboxes to start out your circulation of knowledge. And I’m utilizing checkboxes simply to make the instance. However your templates can get actually advanced with nested tables and ask associated info. So it’s actually… That is what makes Notion superior is that it’s so malleable to what the consumer really wants. It may be tremendous easy with simply a few checkboxes, all actually highly effective, and you can use it to handle a crew or run a enterprise. After which the third one, like, so many templates… So the third sort of template is definitely what we name a template button. And a template button is a totally completely different form of function in Notion, the place it simply exists on the web page and you’ll put something into it that you simply wanna replicate. And I like to make use of it as a result of it offers the title of the web page a prefilled label, so it pops in versus utilizing a template in a desk, which doesn’t do this. And you’ll form of sneak them in all through. And so, if there’s sure issues that you simply do on a repeated foundation, however perhaps aren’t so advanced, that it’s price placing them in their very own desk, then you’ll be able to, you recognize, use these template buttons simply to form of streamline a course of or create a set of reminders or, like I stated, it’s good for making a set of checkboxes that perhaps you do each week or month or one thing.

Katie: Yeah, I’m pondering of so many new methods to make use of this for lots extra areas of my life actually. Does this…? Can notion combine straight with different methods that individuals is likely to be utilizing? As an illustration, you talked about Slack or Calendar apps or can it combine straight with any of this stuff or is it standalone?

Sandra: So proper now it’s standalone. What I’ll say is that Notion has the power to embed numerous apps. So what meaning is Notion is principally entry by way of the slack command. And also you press that, and also you’ll see a listing of choices. And as you begin typing, it form of narrows right down to what you want. One of many issues you are able to do is you’ll be able to, like, embed a Google doc, or a picture, or numerous different issues. Simply final week, there was a launch Notion put out a discover that they’re within the midst of testing API, which is principally the decision that purposes use to speak between one another. And so it’s gonna be in beta early subsequent yr. So, fingers crossed someday earlier than the top of subsequent yr, we’re gonna even have true integration with different purposes. However proper now, standalone. And I’ll say, although, every time I’ve had that, like, after I used to do it or a few of these different apps which are on the market to assist meet my life, I at all times discovered myself including extra to it than I might actually moderately course of. So there’s one thing about API that may ship us on a path of just about, like, over-integrating issues. So, in some methods, I’m form of grateful that Notion has been the standalone function as a result of it actually encourages curating what you’re placing in there, versus simply dumping all the things in there after which probably not having the ability to use it to execute on the issues that you simply wanna be capable to do.

Katie: That’s superior. I do know one other form of unrelated factor that I exploit it for that I most likely might determine find out how to templatized higher, however that I like to recommend to those that is likely to be a brand new one, even for you as I exploit it to do one thing known as the Feynman approach. And I preserve what would principally be like a journal, however the place I form of put all of my Feyman approach summaries proper now. And for anyone who’s not acquainted, I’ve talked about it slightly bit on the podcast earlier than however the Feyman approach is principally the concept that you’ve gotten discovered one thing when you’ve gotten the power to obviously and concisely clarify it to a toddler. And fortunately, I’ve numerous youngsters to truly apply this and clarify to each day. However that is one thing I do every time I learn a brand new ebook or watch a TED discuss or be taught a brand new idea by researching or actually delve into the research on a subject. And I discover it actually helps recall. However by committing this stuff to an precise written kind, I even have them in a single place for reference. So if I ever want to return and bear in mind one thing from a ebook or from an idea that I’ve discovered, it’s in a single place, and Notion offers me an incredible place to trace all of those. After which I also can, like, simply discover them to share them, if I must with my crew or no matter it could be. In order that’s a tip I really like to offer mothers is it actually helps I discover improve recall and creativity. And if you happen to’re not an enormous fan of writing, you should utilize one other app known as Otter in your telephone to talk into your telephone and clarify, and it’ll transcribe it for you so then you’ll be able to put it in Notion. In order that’s form of like the way you stated you employ it as a journal. That’s form of the way in which I form of day by day journal with it. And then you definitely talked about you additionally use it to trace issues like targets, and I do too, however I’ve a sense you’re gonna have some suggestions of higher ways in which I might be utilizing this to trace targets. So, do you construct templates for that or how do you map out after which preserve observe of targets inside Notion?

Sandra: Yeah. So, monitoring of targets, I do OKR course of, which has been actually revolutionary for me personally, as a result of I at all times discovered SMART targets to be slightly too bossy, if you’ll. I’m a insurgent at coronary heart. And so, the second somebody tells me what to do, I are inclined to do the other. So SMART aim by no means fairly labored for me as a result of I simply wished to insurgent towards it. However there’s one thing concerning the OKR methodology the place whenever you make the aims, the form of inspirational/aspirational issues that you simply’re attempting to do in what you are promoting or your life, the affect that you simply’re attempting to have, the main target, and also you set these up first, all of the sudden having key outcomes, that are primarily SMART targets, they’re well timed and particular, it feels much more approachable to me. And there are issues that I actually care about. So I’m in a position to, you recognize, harness that energy. And so the way in which my system is configured is I’ve aims and outcomes each in separate tables. After which I additionally am an enormous fan of Charlie Gilkey, and the Productive Flourishing Academy. He has a ebook known as “Begin Ending,” which if you happen to haven’t learn it or seen it, I extremely suggest it. It’s only a nice ebook for anyone actually. Like, I’ve seen professionals use it. I’ve seen creatives use it. I’ve seen mother and father use it. It’s only a neat methodology for planning find out how to really end the issues that we begin, proper? So, the way in which I exploit the momentum planning methodology in Notion is, I’ve another tables, one’s for initiatives, which I consider as form of just like the smaller steps to creating my key outcomes occur. After which I’ve a desk for actions or duties with a extremely micro degree. I must, you recognize, replace this factor or analysis this factor, no matter, the duties I must care for. After which, to make it much more strong, I’ve yet another desk that I exploit, which I name areas, which is supposed to be form of wheel of life, if you’ll. So, any form of element to my life that I wanna have an intentional apply round and chew with, I arrange within the areas.

And so it’s form of like having a aim, however it takes off, like I stated, that point strain, in order that it’s simply, you recognize, periodically, I am going in and I have a look at these issues that matter to me, and I can form of… You realize, a few of them have checkboxes, a few of them have tables, a few of them simply have quotes to remind me of issues. So it’s a really fluid course of by the point it will get to areas, however it permits me to separate out issues I care about that I wanna be intentional about from precise measurable spindles that I’ve in my enterprise. And all of those tables, very areas of my system. So all of them seem in my weekly assessment. They seem on… A few of them are on the day by day web page or I even have two different dashboards that I exploit after the day by day web page on a daily foundation. They usually’re known as the As we speak Web page and The This Week Web page. And people principally enable me to have, like I stated, time-based perspective on what it’s I’m attempting to create.

Katie: I really like that. I do know, like… I feel, OKR, I’m an enormous fan as properly. I’ll put a few of my favourite sources associated to understanding that within the shownotes. I feel it’s relevant to everybody. I do know it’s typically utilized in enterprise, however I feel it’s really very related to oldsters as properly, so far as planning long-term issues with our children, actually for homeschooling mother and father and having targets associated to that. And I additionally use it, like I stated, in my private life for private growth issues or new expertise I’m attempting to be taught and retaining observe of all of these. I really feel like there’s simply so some ways to make use of that.

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And a few different ways in which I exploit Notion, typically, are for retaining observe of issues like Christmas present concepts or present concepts, typically, for all my children. I’ve issues like that as a result of they have a tendency to say issues all year long. After which reasonably than having to think about them, simply at the moment of the yr, additionally issues like home updates and initiatives issues I must, like, work towards with that. And also you talked about additionally issues like well being metrics, which can also be related to lots of people listening. How can we use Notion to maintain observe of this stuff or how would you set that up?

Sandra: Yeah, so that is the place Notion can actually be an entire, like, life working system. And I say that… And, you recognize, I’m at all times very… I work with numerous inexperienced persons and numerous proper mind form of inventive thoughts map sort folks. And so I’ve a tender spot for them. And I do know that saying the phrase working system isn’t at all times engaging to all people. However on the identical time, it’s only a means of harnessing all that creativity and all these concepts you’ve gotten, and placing the data that we’re all monitoring in our heads down and to get, once more. That’s the important thing factor for me, whether or not we’re about education and even simply serving to your children preserve observe of their schoolwork. And if they’re doing on-line class or their chore schedule or their after faculty occasions or one which I did not too long ago that I form of amused myself with is I arrange an entire desk that’s, like, I name them weekly quests. And it’s principally a gamified model of retaining observe of all of the issues that I don’t must do each day however I must do just a few instances every week. And principally the way in which the desk works is I’ve a few formulation in-built in order that so long as I vacuum as soon as every week, I get a thumbs up and a superb job. But when I vacuum twice every week, then it offers me a bonus. And of this previous gamified factor with formulation in there that simply amuses me to no finish. And it really encourages me to do this stuff that I would in any other case procrastinate or simply really feel like, “Oh, I’m too drained, it might wait till tomorrow.” After which you know the way that goes. Like, then it’s like three days later and you continue to haven’t vacuumed or no matter. So I prefer to put enjoyable issues in there. So it doesn’t at all times really feel like, oh, that is, like, yet another factor I’ve to do. The important thing factor for me with Notion, like, I really wish to open it on the weekend, which I’ve by no means felt earlier than with some other app. So, by way of, like, attending to a extra sensible reply to your query, one of many issues that I exploit or that I did at Notion this yr that was tremendous useful is we moved.

And so not solely did I’ve in there our lists of we have been on the lookout for in a home and, like, our perfect, you recognize, options and what have been the prerequisites, folks saved observe of the dialog, the realtor and, like, all the homes we visited, form of like doing a professional con checklist on them. After which when it acquired time for the transfer, I did an entire stock. So I numbered all of the containers. After which after I packed a field, I simply made, like, a 3 phrase or a 3 sentence, only a actually fast… What am I attempting to say? Three phrase, there we go. Three phrase description of what went within the field. And so then I used to be in a position to after we moved, and it’s like, okay, we want no matter, the espresso grinder. I might really search the desk and discover it. And I knew, okay, that is field 89 or no matter it was. And I’ve to say, I assumed I used to be over-engineering it and form of laughing at myself however I used to be having a lot enjoyable doing it, I did it anyway, and it completely paid off. Like, it was properly well worth the effort I put in to have the ability to observe down, you recognize, no matter pot and pan and my spices come that first week after the transfer. In order that’s form of, like, a sensible means that you can use an app like this to make your life simpler.

Katie: And one other factor we’ve talked about slightly bit, however I wanna ensure that we are saying explicitly is that as a result of Notion is an app, it has each desktop and telephone interfaces after which, in fact, they sync. And in order that’s been actually useful to me as a result of, as an illustration, like among the issues we’ve talked about, like meal planning, I can pull that up after I’m on the retailer. I can work on this stuff after I’m at an appointment with the children or ready on the children in an exercise as a result of my telephone is just about at all times with me. And so it’s tremendous handy that means however then it’s simple additionally to work on a desktop whenever you’re organising a few of these larger initiatives and greater issues. I’m curious, I imply, clearly, you’re most likely an influence consumer of Notion, however how a lot are you interacting with Notion throughout any regular day?

Sandra: It’s a superb query. I’m out and in of it just about all day lengthy. I’ll say although, you recognize, I nonetheless preserve a paper journal after I’m on the telephone, oftentimes, as a result of I’m exhibiting any individual else find out how to use Notion. So we’re of their Notion setup. However I discover it useful for my mind to jot down some issues down. After which I’ve a course of on the finish of the week, the place I form of undergo that checklist and ensure that all the things’s in Notion the way in which I would like it to be and that, you recognize, I can preserve observe of all of the little particulars and the nuances. So, I discover it to be a extremely fluid factor by way of, you recognize, some days I’m in there, like, actually virtually all day. Now granted, I’m a Notion guide in order that is sensible. However even on days after I’m engaged on different issues or serving to any individual with a web site or different enterprise methods, I’m nonetheless out and in just about all day. And I might say the opposite two issues I’ll throw out, I really like that you simply talked about the online, desktop, telephone, and it really works on iPad rather well. The truth is, they’ve made numerous enhancements within the final couple of months on the way it works on iPad. And so, it’s like virtually so many enhancements that I form of wanna get a model new iPad simply so I can use it. It’s nice to have the ability to see it in all these completely different codecs. And there’s a new factor on the brand new iOS working… You realize, the most recent replace for iOS really has this factor known as widgets, which if folks haven’t seen them or checked them out but, they’re actually cool. They principally put little mini apps, if you’ll, proper in your telephone display. And the Notion widget is tremendous useful as a result of it might take, like, the primary few issues in your favorites. So, like, my favorites, the pages are day by day, fast seize, and my as we speak web page plus just a few others. And I even have that widget proper on my telephone in order that, you recognize, if I’m within the kitchen, making a cup of tea between calls, and I consider one thing, I can pop it open and add it to my fast seize or no matter web page is sensible actually simply and on the fly. So there’s numerous, like, you recognize, you’re not locked into solely being in your browser, solely be in your desktop, you’ve gotten numerous choices and methods to entry it that may make life simpler.

Katie: Superior. And also you talked about to start with, this can be a troublesome factor to clarify completely, simply verbally as a result of it’s very a lot hands-on and visible as properly. However I do know that is one thing that you simply do assist folks with and you’ve got a web site associated to. So, for individuals who wish to perceive extra and who wish to begin integrating this, I’ll ensure that hyperlink is within the present notes however form of stroll us by way of the way you assist folks with that and the sources you’ve gotten.

Sandra: Yeah, so for various kinds of purchasers are completely different. I actually would like to have a bunch of mothers or dads simply households that wanna use it for homeschool or private stuff and all of that stuff. So what I’m gonna do is ready up slightly discussion board on my web site so if anyone’s excited by that form of factor, they’ll let me know after which we will determine it out within the new yr. And the opposite factor I’ll throw out, you will discover Twitter at notionnerd and Instagram @notionnerd additionally. So the easiest way to search out me is on sandrahalling com. And if you happen to put in /wellnessmama, you land on a web page that may have some fascinating info that’s, like, geared in the direction of serving to households. And I really would like to have a workshop subsequent yr, particularly with that as a goal. So I’ll put in slightly factor that if that’s of curiosity to anyone, they’ll join and let me know. Primary methods I work with folks proper now’s by way of enterprise teaching and methods help. And so, generally folks are available in and so they need simply Notion and so we’ll deep dive over 30 days to get each step up and rocking and rolling. After which generally what folks want is extra of, like, a form of slower burn, if you’ll. So we do a 3 to 6 months method to dig into the completely different methods they’ve of their enterprise and streamline issues, join all of the dots. Like, simply this morning, I used to be serving to a shopper join their Google calendar with their iCloud, with their Macbook, with their telephone, like, all these little doodads go collectively. And so Notion is form of like one piece of the puzzle for me, however it spine of the methods I arrange. So, once more, you will discover me on the internet at or on Twitter or Instagram at notionnerd.

Katie: Good. I’ll ensure that these are linked right here. And one other query I like to ask on the finish. You talked about one already, but when there’s a ebook or various books which have had a dramatic affect in your life, and if that’s the case what they’re and why?

Sandra: Yeah. So, I’ve to say that one of the crucial impactful books for me is “Getting Issues Finished,” which is form of a traditional within the productiveness house. So, I discovered it most dear or most impactful within the sense that it taught me find out how to group, and categorize, and course of info in a means that I hadn’t seen earlier than. And it got here out after I was fairly younger in my profession, I feel I used to be about 20 or so. So it simply hit me on the proper second to create what we’ve got now, which is, you recognize, database guide now for a few years. So, that was actually impactful. And clearly “Begin Ending” is form of an incredible device now. I feel “Getting Issues Finished” is form of a traditional, but in addition it was written 20 years in the past. So there’s some parts to it, the place our lives have simply modified a lot. And I feel “Begin Ending” does a greater job of addressing all the completely different avenues that our lives take and the way a lot info comes at us and simply form of managing the combination there. After which different books that, like, actually matter to me on a private degree have been, like, some Ram Dass books, “Paths to God.” And Eckert Tolle’s “A New Earth” was additionally actually impactful for me as a result of it simply gave me a distinct perspective on issues. And I like mixing this stuff. So it’s each my life holistically, offers me a need to wanna arrange it extra. In order that’s form of how these two issues tie collectively for me.

Katie: Nice suggestions. I’ll ensure that these are linked within the present notes as properly. I’m so glad I acquired to share extra about Notion as we speak as a result of like I stated, it’s a device that I discover actually invaluable. And I additionally one, I really feel like I’m not utilizing them as a lot as I might be. And I’m excited to have discovered extra from you as we speak. And hopefully shared a brand new useful resource with most of the folks listening that may simplify their lives. However thanks in your time as we speak and for all of the work you’re doing.

Sandra: Thanks a lot, Katie. It was numerous enjoyable.

Katie: And thanks guys, as at all times for listening, for sharing your most dear useful resource, your time with each of us as we speak. We’re so grateful that you simply did, and I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the following episode of “The Wellness Mama Podcast.”

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