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Katie: Hi there, and welcome to the “Wellness Mama” podcast. I’m Katie from and That’s Wellnesse with an E on the tip. And this episode goes deep on issues like PANS and PANDAS, which I’ve gotten lots of questions on and don’t have any first-hand expertise with however needed to offer an excellent useful resource for anybody who’s within the technique of coping with these particular circumstances. And I’m right here with Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge, who’s the founding father of the International Institute of Kids’s Psychological Well being. And Forbes has known as her a thought chief in youngsters’s psychological well being. She’s labored with 1000’s of households, particularly these with Lyme illness, PANS/PANDAS, and every other sort of situation. And he or she’s the writer of the guide, “It’s Gonna Be Okay!” and the Get Unstuck Program.

And I assumed she was an important professional to have on. We actually go deep on these circumstances, why we’re seeing an increase in psychological well being points in children, the components which have modified a lot within the final couple of many years which are affecting our children. We go deep on each the physiological and the psychological well being components which are concerned, and why we’re seeing an increase in lots of these circumstances, why so many children are getting misdiagnosed, and what you are able to do as a dad or mum to each assist your little one keep away from these circumstances and in addition what to do in the event that they have already got them. It’s a extremely fascinating episode. She’s a lot enjoyable, so well-spoken. And with out additional ado, let’s be a part of her. Dr. Roseann, welcome. Thanks for being right here.

Dr. Roseann: Effectively, I’m so excited to succeed in all these mamas on the market and supporting not simply children’ psychological well being however household psychological well being in a time the place we’d like it greater than ever.

Katie: Effectively, and positively, any mother is aware of children’ psychological well being immediately impacts the entire household’s psychological well being very drastically. And I’d say it’s in all probability no secret that we’re seeing an increase in psychological well being points in all demographics however together with youngsters, which is the place I feel I get probably the most unhappy after I see little ones struggling via a few of these issues. And I do know I’ve seen lots of articles that over the previous yr this has actually intensified. I do know there’s lots of components, a part of it in all probability children being separated from college environments, and from their regular social interactions, and from actions and from time outdoors in some circumstances, however I do know it’s can also go deeper than that as properly. So, are you able to stroll us via why we’re seeing such an increase in youngsters’s psychological well being points, particularly previously yr or so?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, it’s such an important query as a result of we’re seeing an increase in children’ psychological well being lengthy earlier than the pandemic occurred, which is why in January of 2020, I began the International Institute of Kids’s Psychological Well being as a result of in these 30 years, Katie, I’ve simply seen such a rise in issues like nervousness, melancholy, autism has simply gone via the roof, and issues like PANS and PANDAS, which have been nearly non-existent after I began 30 years in the past. And so, you recognize, why is that this occurring? It’s positively a multifaceted subject. We all know what’s occurring proper now. We are able to dive into that. However let’s dial it again. Let’s discuss all these components which have made it the place some children are actually struggling through the pandemic regardless of having nice houses or none of these threat components, like, you recognize, points with their mother and father being extremely burdened or financial points which have affected them through the pandemic.

You realize, children are struggling extra immediately. And a few of that’s as a result of environmental modifications, like teachers, being far more intense, faculties being generally developmentally inappropriate for teenagers, for instance, writing, the calls for on children writing after they’re bodily not as succesful have dramatically elevated within the final 15 years. And that’s actually traumatic on children. However we even have poor meals high quality. We’ve got a rise in genetic mutations. We’ve got a lower in bodily train. And the way about downtime? Children don’t actually have downtime in the identical means. So this has all, kind of, led to this rise. And on prime of it, our parenting types have modified. We’re not parenting our children in a really autonomous means, so children can actually develop this resilience and grit, and study coping abilities, which solely come from these little moments of failure, that educate children learn how to tolerate disappointment, uncomfortableness, all these feelings. And youngsters have to study these abilities independently as a result of when massive stuff occurs, such as you get into an enormous struggle along with your greatest pal or your boyfriend, or you might be failing a category in faculty, that you’ve got an inner resilience to deal with these conditions with stride as a result of stress occurs.

After which proper now, why are children having such a traumatic expertise? You realize, in the event that they walked in, Katie, to the pandemic, with a pre-existing psychological well being subject or a household historical past of traumatic experiences, they’re gonna be extra more likely to expertise stress. However what we all know via analysis, survey analysis in the US, Asia, and in addition to Europe is that there’s a actual improve in nervousness and melancholy for teenagers. And one startling statistic is that fifty% of youngsters and younger adults who’ve an instantaneous member of the family with COVID have a threat of average to extreme melancholy, which is stunning. So children have a lack of connection. There’s worry across the virus. There’s the virus itself, and simply the Wild West educationally, the disruption in training and oldsters being actually burdened and overwhelmed has all contributed to what’s going on with children, this uptick in psychological well being points.

Katie: That is sensible and it looks like lots of components to handle. I’m proper there with you on, form of, the modifications in parenting types. I acquired some good classes from my grandma earlier than she handed away about how a lot totally different that’s now. And that’s all the time been my focus with mine is to attempt to elevate them to be as autonomous and self-sufficient as attainable as early as attainable whereas, after all, giving them the instruments to do this in a mature and useful means. I’ve a motto with them that I received’t do something for them that they’re able to doing themselves. So even the little ones begin their very own laundry fairly early and are very concerned round the home.

And likewise, we actually attempt to curate time for them to be bored and to play outdoors, and to not simply have fixed construction to allow them to study a few of these abilities. I do know I’m an enormous fan of anytime children are enjoying, there’ll all the time be the inevitable little spats or disputes or determining the foundations of the sport. And I’m such a fan of letting them work via that each time attainable as a result of such as you mentioned, they study from these interactions and from these little failures, and that interprets to later in life. And there’s lots of instructions to go from right here. However earlier than we transfer on, why do you suppose we’re seeing such a change in that parenting model that appears to have occurred inside the span of 1 era?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, properly, we’ve shifted our focus to teachers. And we’re utilizing teachers as a benchmark for psychological well being. And lots of mother and father consider that, “Wow, if we get our children to give attention to getting these straight As that life’s gonna be higher for them. Life’s gonna be simpler for them.” And it’s not the case as a result of folks with psychological well being points, children and adults, are purposeful. They stroll round. They’re interacting. Some areas are going nice of their life, possibly it’s in teachers, and different areas aren’t. And so, we’re not…Now I feel what is occurring, Katie, on this pandemic, is we’re altering. We’re realizing, “Wait a second, my children didn’t have a capability to handle stress or they don’t know learn how to do their laundry.” I imply, what sage recommendation your grandma gave you, proper? Do issues by yourself and make errors since you’re 100% proper, it’s these little moments that develop into the educational lesson.

And so, we’ve shifted away from social-emotional improvement. We discuss quite a bit about it. However I don’t suppose mother and father actually perceive that it comes from being autonomous. And now we have this fear-driven society that if our children don’t have straight As, they may quantity to nothing. And this comes out of the mouths of youngsters, and faculty children, and center college children. They are saying the identical factor that their mother and father are. And so we’ve shifted our focus to one thing that’s actually not gonna construct lifelong happiness. And the core to that’s this resilience and it comes from stress tolerance.

Katie: Yeah, that is sensible. And that’s in all probability its personal subject for a distinct day. However that’s a world I wish to tackle, in addition to the a minimum of, like, post-secondary training world and the ways in which it’s not serving children for the longer term that they’re arrange for. And an enormous purpose why I homeschool is to have the ability to give my children a greater basis in that sense. However I feel it’s additionally essential to spotlight you talked about there are some particular physiological elements of what’s happening as properly. I’ve talked about on this podcast earlier than that we’re seeing an enormous improve in environmental toxins, like, greater than every other era. Such as you mentioned, we’re seeing a rise in genetic mutations, which is an attention-grabbing, actually essential subject to delve into itself. We all know that our meals provide isn’t as nutrient-dense because it as soon as was. As mothers, we’re form of combating a battle generally on many fronts, however let’s discuss a few of these physiological components that come into play as properly and what we are able to do about them.

Dr. Roseann: Yeah. So, you recognize, I discuss quite a bit about this in my guide, “It’s Gonna Be Okay!” I delve into lots of these root causes about what’s occurring. And so, genetic mutation is one thing that individuals, you recognize, could have heard about, however don’t have any understanding of its connection to a toddler’s bodily and psychological well being. And what has been occurring on this time that we’ve modified in a era is we’ve simply had a dramatic improve in these mutations, and one specifically known as MTHFR. There are others. And I am going actually deeply into them in my guide, “It’s Gonna Be Okay!,” is altering how our children are using important nutritional vitamins, notably the B nutritional vitamins, and our nervous system can’t regulate correctly, nor can it detoxify correctly. And each of these components are going to affect our mind well being and nervous system. And so it’s positively a root trigger as to why we’re seeing a lot improve in issues prefer it’s correlated with ADHD, and nervousness, and melancholy. It’s additionally correlated right into a specialty that I’ve folks with continual bodily ailments that result in psychological well being points. So issues like PANS and PANDAS, Lyme illness, and various kinds of an infection and poisonous triggers that may result in PANS/PANDAS or autoimmune encephalopathy.

And so, these are some sources that children are actually struggling each within the bodily and the psychological well being facet. And we are able to’t escape the connection between the mind and physique. We discuss quite a bit about it in psychological well being, proper? We should always all the time be speaking about thoughts, physique, and spirit however we’re not instructing households about what they will do to alter issues on that mobile stage with weight-reduction plan, train, hacks in vitamins, proper? So taking particular dietary supplements and past. There’s lots of issues mother and father can do to immediately affect their little one’s psychological well being proper now, but additionally for future generations, which is stunning to oldsters after they hear about that, you recognize, very clever folks know meals is essential however they don’t know why. They don’t know the way it reduces irritation. Oh, it addresses, you recognize, taking a look at at a deeper stage, what are allergy responses and the way do these vitamins truly energy up very particular varieties of areas within the mind?

Katie: And I’m glad you introduced up PANS and PANDAS as a result of I get an rising variety of questions on these, which tells me that they’re in all probability on the rise. And it’s an space I don’t have lots of firsthand expertise. However I’m listening to from lots of mothers who both have children who they know have a analysis or fear that their children might need this and are having hassle getting a analysis. And it looks like there’s lots of complexity to this. And there may be lots of components that come into play and lots of signs. So, to begin broad after which we’ll dial in, give us an summary of what PANS and PANDAS are. What does that stand for and what’s happening within the physique?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah. So thanks for bringing this up as a result of PANS, PANDAS and autoimmune encephalopathy are three separate issues which have the identical supply. And the signs largely are the identical. And so they’re all dramatically on the rise. The analysis says that about 150 out of 200 children have one in every of these issues, and it could actually have fairly a dramatic affect on our psychological well being. So let’s discuss what they’re, let’s discuss in regards to the signs, after which let’s discuss what folks can do about it. So, initially, I’m a pacesetter on this space. I’ve a guide that I co-wrote known as “Mind Underneath Assault.” I discuss quite a bit about PANS and PANDAS in all of my work and in my guide, “It’s Gonna Be Okay!” And, you recognize, it’s very laborious to search out individuals who may help you anyplace on this planet.

So, PANS and PANDAS and autoimmune encephalopathy, what occurs is there’s an infectious or poisonous set off that causes a misdirected immune response, the physique begins attacking itself. There’s an inflammatory response. After all, it impacts, on this case, the mind. There may be different bodily elements of it, like joint ache, and it could actually affect anyplace within the physique. However with PANS and PANDAS, it’s a sudden onset or a deep acceleration of a pre-existing subject. And I actually like to spotlight that as a result of my folks, all my pretty mamas on the market who’re listening, a lot of my children have pre-existing circumstances. And so they even have a buying cart stuffed with diagnoses, like ODD, ADD, OCD, melancholy, nervousness, you identify it, studying disabilities. And there generally is a actual worsening, proper? So PANDAS is from strep. PANS may be any an infection and poisonous. After which autoimmune encephalopathy, which, you recognize, takes a very long time to have the ability to pronounce that, we’re gonna name it AE. AE is a slower waxing and waning onset. It doesn’t should be dramatic in a single day. And I prefer to additionally spotlight that as a result of these children get missed.

Many of the children that I work with, they’re PANS children. There’s, you recognize, one poisonous set off or one an infection, as soon as it begins, different issues like to come back to the get together. And so this immune system breaks down. And also you might need moles in there. You realize, you might need, you recognize, scarlet fever, a historical past of scarlet fever, mycoplasma pneumonia, tick-borne illness. Tick-borne illness is likely one of the greatest triggers. It isn’t the one set off however it’s that and strep and mycoplasma pneumonia and mono, Epstein-Barr. I might say these are the 4 greatest triggers. After which there’s an enormous record of various issues. So what’s going to mother and father see? Okay?

So PANDAS, clearly, it’s a strep an infection however right here’s what you possibly can see behaviorally in all three. So you possibly can see obsessive-compulsive dysfunction. You may see nervousness, melancholy, you possibly can see bodily or motor tics, after which every other psychological well being situation you probably can consider in addition to lots of rage for some folks. So you possibly can have externalizing behaviors, like rage, violence, you recognize, eager to hurt different folks. After which on the opposite finish, you possibly can have internalizers, children which are so depressed that may’t get off the bed. And when it’s a sudden onset, when it’s a deep acceleration, mother and father will do issues like inform me, Katie, it felt prefer it was a demonic possession. Like, it was so excessive, they didn’t know what the heck was happening.

So, then you can also have such excessive circumstances the place mother and father will know the precise day, the date it occurred. Like, it was February twelfth, 2019. Whenever you see that you recognize is in the future and there was no precipitating occasion…And after I take into consideration children, I take into consideration grief and loss. You realize, I feel there was a lack of a grandparent or a canine or a bullying incident or one thing like that. It’s essential to be contemplating PANS and PANDAS as a result of our immune techniques are breaking down as a consequence of a few of these issues we talked about, genetic mutation, poor meals high quality, continual, continual stress on children. And continual stress doesn’t imply you don’t have an attractive residence and an attractive road and your children go to an attractive college. It means our nervous techniques are in a hyper-stress modality. And when that occurs, our assets in our physique go to search out the stressor and ignore antigens like Lyme illness, or any tick-borne sickness, or no matter it’s.

So then you possibly can have aggressive behaviors, Katie. So that you generally is a child who is sort of a nice scholar in actually stopped studying. I see this on a regular basis, lack of handwriting. After which two different behaviors are quite common. One is frequent urination and separation nervousness. And so when you might have a sudden onset or worsening of a pre-existing situation that appears so out of the strange, I’m gonna let you know this isn’t regular. Don’t consider that the primary line that if one thing is absolutely excessive that your little one is psychotic for no purpose that possibly they’ve, you recognize…These children are identified with issues like schizophrenia, bipolar. And also you wanna all the time search for medical sources.

And if this appears like your personal little one or possibly your niece or nephew or, you recognize, your pal Betty down the road, have a hearken to this podcast. I imply, for this reason we do that as a result of these children are all around the world and they’re in psychiatric hospitals. And so they go from hospital to hospital they usually’re not getting applicable medical remedy, they usually’re being missed. And that is felony as a result of we ought to be testing children for these widespread sources of psychological well being points. If it’s 1 in 150, 200 children, that’s widespread.

Katie: Yeah. Oh, a lot to unpack there. So I agree. Is there, like, a scientific set of assessments that assist us determine this, or is it symptom-based, or how do mother and father get to that analysis? As a result of I can solely suppose again to my very own after I used to have Hashimoto’s, which is autoimmune. It took me so lengthy to lastly get a analysis, to search out a physician who knew to check for the best issues as a result of if it was like in the event you solely examined T3 and T4, I used to be high quality. And once you take a look at antibodies, I used to be off the charts. And so I ponder, are the youngsters getting missed within the testing or there aren’t pretty much as good set requirements for testing protocols, or as a dad or mum, in the event you suspect this, like, what ought to a dad or mum be advocating for?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, a lot to unpack even in that. So, primary, the primary downside why these children aren’t getting recognized is the dearth of practitioner data about what PANS and PANDAS are. And that’s pediatricians. That’s psychiatrists. That’s folks working psychiatric hospitals. That’s therapists as a result of as quickly as they’re medically missed, increase, they go to psychotherapists. And so that’s the primary purpose why, folks. And that’s why you should discover anyone…if this appears like your child, you should discover a practitioner like myself otherwise you go to, which is a nationwide group, or Epidemic Solutions they usually have, you recognize, practitioners in that space.

So, is there a take a look at? There’s. It is a scientific analysis primarily based on signs. So is Lyme illness, which is usually stunning to folks. So now we have assessments. Like, in PANS and PANDAS, one specific set of assessments is named a Cunningham Panel. And a few folks consider that you must have constructive irritation markers. You realize, all this stuff should be there. I’m gonna let you know completely not. That’s not what the scientific standards says. And a few of these infectious ailments, notably Tick-Borne illness, they will take years to indicate up on lab work. And so if we dangle our hat on getting a constructive take a look at consequence, these infections get deeper within the organs. They get extra intrusive and it turns into more durable to deal with, not inconceivable. And tick-borne sickness, in as little as two weeks, can go from early-stage, which is fairly simple to deal with with antimicrobials, to late-stage. And late-stage signifies that these micro organism, the spirochetes, have burrowed into some organ. And as soon as they burrow in as a result of they’ve a screw-in mechanism, these are extremely genetically advanced micro organism, some consider probably the most extremely genetically advanced micro organism on the planet, it’s powerful.

And that’s, you recognize, a part of…So this Lyme neighborhood and PANS and PANDAS, they should merge collectively as a result of let me let you know, the PANS and PANDAS mother, they’re powerful mamas and they’re actually transferring the dial sooner and getting assist for his or her children than simply the, you recognize, Lyme neighborhood in itself. So, no single take a look at. Testing is useful as a result of we have to know what the infections are within the remedy triangle. You realize, you wanna have remedy for the an infection, remedy for the irritation, after which behavioral psychological well being remedy. That’s a remedy triangle to actually get our children higher.

Katie: And that was gonna be my subsequent query as a result of it looks like since this can be a fairly advanced factor that now we have happening within the physique and there may be lots of totally different triggers. I’m guessing it’s additionally very not often a single set off. Like, it looks like typically the physique’s able to dealing with anyone assault fairly properly. And there’s been lots of whether or not it’s the rain bucket, or the tub, or all of the totally different analogies about all of the totally different inputs that may go in, however when you attain the highest, it’s gonna overflow, it doesn’t matter what you set in it. And I exploit that analogy with autoimmune illness. It appears like that applies right here, too. So it looks like there’s a component of getting to actually, form of, unpack all these layers and determine the triggers, after which additionally determine from there, like…So is that this a really individualized remedy plan the place with every little one, you’re working to determine it would look totally different for everybody, or are there commonalities?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, it isn’t…I imply, you recognize, Katie, that whether or not it’s autoimmune illness, like Hashimoto’s or, you recognize, PANS and PANDAS, or no matter it’s, there’s a person element. However that is the idea of my work, that regardless of who I work with, whether or not it’s autism or PANS and PANDAS, I do know what holds them again. And it’s usually two issues that maintain them again from truly therapeutic their physique and decreasing and reversing these psychological well being signs. And it’s a hyper-stress-activated nervous system. So individuals are so shocked that our autonomic nervous system, which is in command of managing on a regular basis stress, that these children, it’s gonna be caught on. I’ve by no means met a child with autism or ADHD or nervousness that doesn’t have a stress hyperactive nervous system.

And as I discussed earlier, your troops go to the unknown. What does that imply, your troops? It means your immune system, your hormone system, each single element of your physique which helps it to manage and work actually goes to that one factor. So, your automotive that you simply’re driving, your whole wheels are gonna be balanced on one wheel. It’s gonna be working. It’s not gonna be working properly. And each time you get in that automotive, you’re like, “One thing’s improper. One thing’s improper. One thing’s improper.” And then you definately get your tires balanced and that’s with that nervous system. So, how I work with folks is I educate them to manage the nervous system. And I do it with lots of biofeedback, neurofeedback, and PMF. That’s my magic juju. I consider in lots of different issues, breathwork, and all that, and I lay it out in my guide.

However the different a part of that is improper detoxing. It is vitally uncommon that I’ve children and adults who their physique is ready to detoxify each the precise toxin, infectious, you recognize, micro organism agent and whatnot, but additionally their waste merchandise. So, you recognize, now we have mycotoxins which are in our system and also you say, you recognize, individuals are listening, “What do you imply detoxing? How do I do that?” Effectively, lots of it’s way of life. And these are usually the 2 greatest boundaries for those who are even getting wonderful remedy as a result of I work with people who find themselves going to those wonderful professionals and treating children with PANS and Lyme illness in adults, they usually’re not getting higher. And it’s due to the stress hyperactive nervous system. It’s a physiological response. It’s known as psychoneuroimmunology. Your physique actually is not going to allow you to heal when you’re in a stress-activated state.

So it’s tremendous essential, you must take…It’s a multifactorial subject, which implies there’s nobody factor that’s gonna work. It’s changes in your way of life. And as horrible as PANS and PANDAS is, and I’ve been working with folks with Lyme illness lengthy earlier than my 16-year-old acquired it at 22 months, who we later realized had PANS…So I dwell in an space the place infectious illness triggers for psychological well being are customary. They’re simply right here. We’re residing in, you recognize, suburbs of New York, in Connecticut, and other people get Lyme illness. If I walked outdoors proper now, Katie, and I stood on the grass, inside 10 minutes, I might have ticks crawling on my legs. So, it’s that scary. You may’t see Katie, however she seems scared. You realize, and it’s there. And, you recognize, for us nature lovers with our children, like, we have to join, proper? So I’ve needed to do lots of preventative issues.

However, you recognize, folks simply don’t perceive what PANS and PANDAS appear like. So, you recognize, it could actually present up in a single day, and really sudden and really scary. You realize, when my child acquired Lyme, he stopped consuming. And you recognize what his physician mentioned? His physician mentioned, “Effectively, he’s 22 months outdated. That’s what 22-month-olds do.” And I mentioned, “Not Italian children.” You realize, he was consuming, like, calamari for breakfast and, you recognize, he was consuming these actually wonderful meals that we…you recognize, I’ve solely been holistic my complete life. So, we didn’t eat processed meals. My child has by no means eaten off of a child’s menu, okay? And so after they instructed me that, I used to be like, my mama intestine mentioned, “Uh-uh, no, no, no, no woman.” And I knew it was one thing else. However, after all, that’s what it was. However it may be a sudden onset or it may be this kind of waxing and waning and up and down after which mother and father begin going, “What’s happening right here?” And that’s why they wind up getting diagnoses like, you recognize, ADHD or different issues as a result of it could actually present up in so many alternative methods.

Katie: I feel one other essential level in all that is that tick-borne sickness can be very a lot on the rise. I feel lots of people don’t even understand there’s the connection right here. But in addition, tick-borne sickness can go in lots of totally different instructions. And I’ve heard from lots of adults who’ve had Lyme illness or numerous co-infections that got here after Lyme illness. So, I’m curious in case you have, slightly little bit of a facet word, however any preventative ideas for that? As a result of we ended up truly transferring to an space that’s very low in ticks as a result of I actually don’t like ticks, and I’ve seen pals and what occurs to them with extreme Lyme, however any preventative ideas as a result of many individuals do dwell in tick borne areas.

Dr. Roseann: Yeah. Yeah. I’ve numerous preventative ticks, Katie…tick ideas. And that is the entire different podcast and we’re filming this in Could of 2021. And Could is Lyme Illness Month. It’s additionally Psychological Well being Month, and the way applicable is that? So initially, Lyme illness is on each continent besides Antarctica. Okay? So, there are excessive an infection charges, they’re known as endemic areas. There’s 14 states in the US which have it. And so, all of us suppose it’s solely within the woods. And as my scary story instructed you, this isn’t true. So, please know that rodents carry this as a lot as deers, if no more. So rodents are in every single place. In my shishi-poopoo neighborhood, we’ve gotten rodents in our home as a result of my cats are sleeping on the job. You realize, it could actually occur at any time. So, let’s discuss prevention.

So there’s truly one factor, Katie, that you are able to do that may scale back your probability of Lyme illness by 59%. And it’s not what you suppose. It’s not the sprays, that are essential. It’s having a shower instantly after being outdoors. And after I imply instantly being outdoors, it’s anytime you’re outdoors. You’re within the garden. You’ve gone to the seashore. There was simply this large article that got here out final week about how each seashore they will discover, within the tall grass, is stuffed with ticks. So, take a peek the subsequent time and have a look in there since you’re gonna be shocked. So, having a shower instantly. That is the perfect protocol that I’ve discovered that has all the time labored with my children and even when my children have been infants is we enter via the storage to search out an entry level, have a transparent bin that may suit your garments, make your children strip down, put their garments within the bin earlier than they enter the home and have them take a bathe. And all the time use a washcloth and have them get each floor of their physique.

Please know {that a} tick verify just isn’t sufficient. Individuals will inform me, “I do tick checks.” These are little tiny, tiny, tiny, you recognize, nymphs. You’re not gonna see them. In order that’s actually essential. Spray is absolutely essential. Whether or not you consider in pure spray or DEET-based spray, that’s okay. They’re efficient. Don’t spray them collectively on the similar time. Important oils act as a provider of the mind. So in the event you’re utilizing important oils-based sprays, you do not need DEET-based sprays. You wanna choose one or the and you should utilize issues like permethrin, which treats your clothes. You realize, my feeling as anyone who’s gone via this horrendous 14-year journey with my very own child with Lyme, and accessing the highest specialists on this planet is that I’d slightly see you detox out toxins and actually create an actual protocol round that than should take care of Lyme. So select one thing.

After which clear lower and fence in an space of your yard if attainable. Ticks don’t like mild. They, you recognize, received’t cross over issues like mulch. So you possibly can do a mulch border. As Hilaria Baldwin instructed me, it’s a mulch moat. So after they cross over mulch, they may die within the warmth over that. It’s actually, actually essential for the solar to maintain your grass quick. You realize, if you’re utilizing, you recognize, outdoors, you recognize, have a devoted space that may be primarily as tick-free as attainable. And you may spray your garden. You realize, oil of oregano is a superb spray. However simply assume you’re gonna have ticks.

After which the spring and the autumn are the worst occasions. The spring is after they’re most aggressive. After which additionally simply know that you simply would not have to have an engorged tick for it to transmit tick-borne sickness. The second a tick bites you, it empties the contents of its abdomen into you. And so, you recognize, the charges of those ticks carrying tick-borne an infection are very, very excessive. The analysis is anyplace from our space, it discovered 91% of ticks carried a minimum of one tick-borne sickness, as little as 30%. However you might have a really excessive threat that tick transmitting, you recognize, to you. So prevention, prevention, prevention is essential.

Katie: That’s a extremely nice tip. I had by no means heard that about not utilizing pure sprays and DEET sprays collectively, but it surely makes full sense. It’s like, choose your poison and persist with that one.

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And that’s actually wonderful how excessive…I didn’t understand tick-borne sickness was that top and the share of ticks throughout. It’s good to know, there are some tangible issues that we are able to do. And it additionally appears like you might have firsthand expertise with your personal little one with this, which supplies me hope since you talked about he, I consider, is older now. So how has restoration been? I feel, like, having hope can be such an essential factor for a dad or mum who’s going through one thing like this.

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, having hope is so essential. You realize, in my guide, “It’s Gonna Be Okay!,” I discuss in regards to the eight pillars of psychological well being. And sure, this can be a guide designed for folks to enhance their children’ psychological well being, but it surely’s actually about all psychological well being for everyone. And I name them the eight pillars of hope and therapeutic. And we’re so scared on this world and we don’t consider within the efficacy of pure remedies. We don’t consider that our children can get higher. And we consider, possibly not our wellness mamas, proper, since you’re right here and also you’re exploring, proper, which is wonderful. Like, preserve listening, preserve listening. However the extra we perceive, proper…

So for 30 years, Katie, I’ve been pushing the bounds of psychological well being. And actually, solely been utilizing these evidence-based approaches, which, hi there, are 100% pure, proper? Like, in some way meals has been relegated into an alternate drugs. It’s simply so comical, it’s not even humorous. I may begin a brawl within the psychological well being neighborhood on a Fb group by recommending a sure weight-reduction plan for nervousness or melancholy. So, you recognize, I would like folks to have hope and therapeutic. Yeah, my son is dramatically higher. At 16, he’s the perfect psychological well being he’s ever had. Has that been a tough highway? It has been a tough highway as a result of as we’ve moved via this, now we have realized extra about what works and what doesn’t with PANS and PANDAS and tick-borne sickness and different issues.

And, once more, I’ve solely been holistic. So this wasn’t even me altering my way of life. It was actually dialing down these items, which is why so many individuals search me out and work with me nearly in our middle as a result of there are methods to deal with issues. And the platform…So is there a bio-individual method? Sure. However the 8 pillars of psychological well being are 100% the identical for everyone. And, you recognize, I put in 40 pages of single-spaced analysis citations so folks can have belief.

And the primary factor mother and father have to do is to see their children getting higher. The second they don’t wanna soar off that fear practice they usually preserve these psychiatric meds behind their head or different issues…proper, as a result of we all know children with PANS and PANDAS and Lyme illness, the analysis 2021 says that these children have poor reactions, excessive signs reactions. I knew that as a result of I may see these children having paradoxical reactions. Why did they react to psychiatric meds? It’s not the foundation trigger. The foundation trigger is an an infection or a toxin. So let’s handle that element. However I all the time need folks to have hope, whether or not it’s autism or PANS and PANDAS and Lyme illness.

You completely…I’ve the privilege of serving to 1000’s of individuals scale back and reverse psychological well being signs over all these years. And, you recognize, you’ve gotta perceive it’s gonna take work, but it surely’s shifting your work which isn’t working for you, which feels such as you’re beating your head towards the wall or taking place rabbit gap after rabbit gap, and shifting it to way of life modifications and different therapies which are truly gonna create change. And that perception is the place it begins. You’ve acquired to consider in it as a result of once you don’t, you let that negativity, kind of, creep in.

Katie: Yeah, and I feel the opposite actually essential level to spotlight there’s that for the perfect outcomes of the work you’re doing, like, psychological well being is not only a remedy psychological well being subject in any respect. And the perfect outcomes in any facet of well being appear to come back after we use an integrative method that takes all of this stuff into consideration. And I’ve seen these form of issues as properly, folks pushing again within the medical neighborhood on weight-reduction plan being that essential or something past energy being essential. And I feel it’s an enormous disservice to people who find themselves struggling as a result of even when they don’t…possibly you place confidence in that form of method. It’s not going to hurt somebody to eat a extra nutrient-dense weight-reduction plan or to dial in dietary supplements that is likely to be useful.

So to me, in the perfect curiosity of the affected person, particularly after we’re speaking about our children, you wanna use each potential software that you’ve got accessible and, form of, use this multifaceted method. And it’s thrilling to know that there are tangible issues that folks can do as a result of I feel you’re proper, like, that hope and that mindset is such an enormous key towards therapeutic. And our children want to have the ability to really feel that from us as a result of we’re gonna be those, form of, emotionally driving that course of. And I feel this is applicable to all children, not even simply children with PANS and PANDAS. And I do know you might have one thing known as the CHAMP approach, I consider, from what I’ve heard of you?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah.

Katie: We’re gonna discuss that as a result of I feel a few of these issues, like psychological well being is one thing we wish for all of our children. You realize, we wish them to all have a constructive mindset and an excellent basis in psychological well being. So, what are a few of these components that you simply talked about which are relevant throughout the board in terms of this?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, I imply, I’m about elevating profitable children, whether or not your child has PANS or PANDAS or they may simply be burdened through the pandemic, have a tough time focusing and motivation, however they don’t have ADHD. So I discuss in regards to the CHAMP approach, proper? And, you recognize, there’s 5 components of that. And so one, it’s calming your central nervous system. So nothing is gonna occur. No studying will occur with a stress-activated nervous system. That is adults too, folks, proper, and that is my battle cry for mothers to deal with themselves. And, you recognize, it simply takes 10 minutes a day to manage your nervous system. You need to use breathwork, meditation, biofeedback, neurofeedback. Choose one thing and do it, folks, since you’re going to really feel higher on a regular basis and also you then received’t react to emphasize. So it’s tremendous, tremendous essential, proper?

After which two, you recognize, hone your children’ abilities, proper? Don’t simply give attention to teachers, proper? You realize, my youthful man, John Carlo, he simply is a freaking delight. I imply, he’s acquired an important humorousness. He’s the pal to everyone. So I hone in on these abilities as a result of he’s dyslexic. So, I’m gonna give attention to his studying however I’m gonna hone in on his presents. And please begin opening your concepts to presents past the educational world since you need your children profitable in all areas. It’s not gonna matter if they’ve a straight A in algebra after they get to a job, or they attempt to preserve a girlfriend, proper? And so they don’t know learn how to be conscientious about, you recognize, simply considering past themselves, proper?

After which three, we already talked about this, it’s parenting to be autonomous. We wish our children to really feel assured. You realize, I like to do issues like what Katie does. I begin them with duties at residence. Like, my boys knew learn how to prepare dinner and use a range by the point they have been 5 years outdated. Okay? So my 10-year-old is like, “Hey, Mother, I’m gonna make a soup. You need some?” “Positive, sounds nice.” Now, I do know he likes it spicy. My mouth is gonna burn when he makes it however I’m gonna let him be autonomous. After which 4 is mastering coping abilities. We wish our children…we don’t wish to rescue our children each second, okay? We wish them to downside clear up, determine stuff on their very own, be slightly uncomfortable, and determine learn how to cope. That doesn’t imply throwing them within the deep finish. It means like, “Listed below are your assets, you recognize, let’s discuss it.”

After which 5 is utilizing constructive language abilities and visualization. So I discuss visualization on a regular basis, like, oh, so we’re gonna have a pool get together. When your children are coming over, you recognize, from college, like, what does that appear like? Effectively, how do you wanna see it go, you recognize? And I keep in mind we used to have a pool get together each Friday, Katie. And we prefer to have an excellent time on the Hodges. It’s a part of the Hodge motto to have an excellent time, particularly when you might have a child who struggles. And we truly nonetheless homeschool our older son, however we homeschooled each our children at one level. And so, you possibly can have a celebration through the week. And the youngsters I used to be speaking about that week’s pool get together, each my boys mentioned, “Hey, you recognize what I don’t like? I see the youngsters taking my stuff with out permission, going into my bed room and taking all my, after all, you recognize, like swords and, you recognize, battle gear.” And I used to be like, “Okay, properly, the place do you see that stuff being moved to?” And so they simply begin seeing issues totally different. They don’t say, “Oh, Mother, you’re gonna do it.” They simply begin seeing constructive outcomes and feeling good about themselves. And that’s so key.

These are the underpinnings of psychological well being, folks. It’s actually creating that internal resilience. It doesn’t simply occur in a single day since you say to your child, “Effectively, that is how you work it out.” No. It’s these alternatives of failure, and success, the place they discover ways to handle no matter comes. Like what Katie mentioned, your children are having a WWE SmackDown, and also you allow them to determine it out. Proper? It’s essential.

Katie: Yeah, I feel that’s actually essential and never problem-solving for them. I do know I hear from lots of academics who say that folks are doing that much more now. And such as you mentioned, it’s as a result of the teachers are so essential. However from firsthand expertise, I can look again, my mother and father have been each faculty professors at totally different occasions. And I positively got here from that tutorial background. And I realized, like, that was crucial factor and I acquired the straight As and I used to be obsessive about college to the expense of my well being finally. And the irony is, like, I used to be nice at taking assessments. It’s not a beneficial life talent. Being variety to folks is a really beneficial life talent. Having the ability to clearly state your needs and desires and in addition hearken to different folks, that’s a beneficial life talent. Having the ability to deal with your self and deal with others, very beneficial life talent.

And I feel you’re proper, we’ve misplaced some crucial issues with our children in attempting to empower them to be actually good at teachers, well-intentioned, however unintended second and third-order penalties that now now we have to handle. And hopefully, we’re. I like that method as properly. We’re form of the enjoyable home as properly. And I’ve all the time needed to be the place the place my children may convey pals and the place all the buddies needed to hang around. And now that I’ve acquired…I’ve 6 children, the oldest is sort of 15. And we’re positively that home. So on any given day, there’s possibly 20 children in our home and I like it. However it does…And I like your method too of serving to them to visualise and serving to them to determine it out. I’ve been an enormous fan of that since my children have been younger is after they ask a query, as an alternative of simply answering, I’ll be like, “Oh, properly, why do you suppose?” or, “How can we discover the reply to that query?” Or in the event that they’re having an issue, I’ll ask them, “Oh, what could be some options? How may you clear up this downside?” as an alternative of simply fixing it for them.

And I feel you’re proper, that’s crucial to present them simply that perspective to begin shifting. So even at a younger age, they don’t say, “I want somebody to repair this for me.” They begin considering, “How can I repair this?” or, “How can I work via this?” or, “How can I make this higher?” And I like your method in that and love your work in your guide too. I’m gonna make it possible for it’s linked within the present notes as properly as a result of I feel it’s actually phenomenal for all children and all mother and father. I do know that you simply even have a particular supply particular to the viewers immediately. And I wanna be certain we get to speak about that earlier than we attain the tip of our time. So stroll us via what you’ve created for the listeners.

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, so I’ve a particular factor only for the Wellness Mamas on the market as a result of I simply love that you simply’ve created a neighborhood. You realize, I used to be a holistic mother lengthy earlier than it was cool. So, I simply love that everyone’s embracing this and that Katie is main this battle cry. So, I’m all about elevating profitable children. So now we have this wonderful no-brainer $7 supply. And you may go to elevating…It’s gonna be within the notes, but it surely’s And it’s a triple supply. And it’s a video with me the place I educate you…It’s a masterclass on learn how to construct resilience and grit in your children, after which we’re gonna do a five-day problem about learn how to elevate profitable children, 5 steps to creating success in life, college, and residential. After which a dwell Q&A on the wrap up within the subsequent week after now we have this problem and relying on when this airs.

So, I hope folks do that. It is a no-brainer. There is no such thing as a child on this planet proper now throughout this pandemic that isn’t impacted ultimately, form, or kind. And there’s a lot we are able to do proactively, proper? So wherever you might be, you’re a particular wants mother like me or you might have children that you simply’re working this in the direction of, that is for all children. And I name 20 something-year-olds children too as a result of some children get caught of their 20s. And, you recognize, I do lots of failure to launch work. So, I simply need folks to have instruments which are accessible. That’s what I do. That’s why, you recognize, I’m on TV on a regular basis. That’s why I’m speaking about all this as a result of mother and father really feel, you recognize, not sure of what to do and I wanna enable you to really feel hopeful, but additionally actually put instruments in your palms that make parenting slightly simpler for you. And that, you recognize, once you make these shifts, like, I’m certain Katie sees this, I see this, all this work that I’ve accomplished to even deal with my child who struggled with psychological well being as a consequence of PANS, he, at 16 when it ought to be tougher, is definitely the simplest he’s ever been.

It’s about altering what you’re doing so the funding pays off. And there’s no dad or mum…Each time I ask them, “What would you like for a child?” All of them say, “I would like my children to be joyful and wholesome.” They by no means say, “I desire a straight-A scholar.” You make a cheerful and wholesome child, there aren’t any limits to their success. You solely give attention to that one factor, you might be limiting their success. So, that is about making a dialogue and supplying you with instruments. So I hope folks join it as a result of I’m tremendous obsessed with children’ psychological well being and we are able to do higher. And that’s what all my work is about.

Katie: I like it. I’ll make it possible for hyperlink is within the present notes. For all of you guys listening when you are driving or exercising, these will all be at So yow will discover every thing we’ve talked about. I’ve been taking notes as properly whereas we’re speaking. And I do know that Dr. Roseann, you might have lots of assets as properly. I’ll hyperlink to a few of these so folks can discover them and continue to learn. And my hope in that is that hopefully, the vast majority of folks listening aren’t working with a toddler who has one in every of these circumstances. However I feel in mild of the numbers you shared, it’s crucial for us as mother and father to remember that this exists and to be looking out for it as a result of such as you mentioned, it could actually come on very quickly. And it’s actually good for all mother and father to have an consciousness about ticks and about tick-borne sickness, and about issues like MTHFR, and underlying dietary triggers, and kids’s psychological well being.

And I consider all of this stuff, like, hopefully, there’s nice instruments such as you present for folks who’re coping with the acute, but additionally I feel we’ve talked about lots of issues which are useful throughout the board for folks who possibly don’t have a toddler working via one in every of these issues however they may help all of our children have a greater shot at success in not simply teachers but additionally in relationships and in life in each space. And I like the work that you simply’re doing in on this world and all of the mother and father and households that you simply’re reaching. One other query I like to ask for the tip of interviews is that if there’s a guide or plenty of books, in addition to your personal, after all, which have had a dramatic affect in your life, and in that case what they’re and why.

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, so I’ve been doing this work my total life. I’m the daughter of Italian immigrants. And my mother and father taught me meals was drugs. And so, the guide that has actually had probably the most dramatic affect on me is a guide known as “Prescription for Dietary Therapeutic” by Phyllis Balch, B-A-L-C-H. And it’s actually an encyclopedia that talks to you about vitamin and dietary supplements. And I began doing integrative care earlier than even the web. So, I needed to go take a look at microfiche, folks, if you recognize what that’s. You might need to google what microfiche is, proper? And this guide was simply transformational for me. I virtually have this guide memorized. And you should purchase it on Amazon. And each mom ought to have this guide as a useful resource as a result of in case your child’s acquired a bellyache, it’s gonna provide you with vitamin and dietary supplements. And so they have a homeopathy model as properly. So, simply made a big impact in understanding that we put limits in therapeutic within the allopathic world, however within the Japanese world, and, you recognize, once you actually discuss integrative care, it means combining the perfect of issues. So, I simply suppose it’s a guide everyone ought to have learn and simply have on their shelf.

Katie: I like it. I don’t know that anybody has urged that on this podcast but. However it jogs my memory, my mother had that guide after I was a child as properly. And I truly noticed it yesterday on her bookshelf after I was having espresso together with her within the morning. And yeah, there’s a lot info in it. And paradoxically, you’ll suppose you’d be capable of discover all that info on-line. However yeah, it’s so laborious to dig via. And as Google has modified the outcomes to prioritize the extra mainstream medical facet, it’s tougher and tougher to search out these issues. So, that’s an important concept to have that useful resource readily available as a result of when you might have a toddler who has an earache or who has a stomachache, you need the solutions now. In order that’s such an excellent suggestion.

Dr. Roseann: And it led me to construct, kind of, a useful resource, Katie, of, like, what are the stuff you wanna have readily available? Like, I like getting a mother’s homeopathy equipment. After I go to a child bathe, initially, I’m Italian, so you recognize you’re gonna get an excellent reward, however I convey homeopathy. I convey issues that, you recognize, are protected for mothers and infants in order that they will begin their wellness mama journey and understand that, you recognize, you don’t should have, you recognize, a chemical in case your child is constipated or no matter it’s. So, it’s an important useful resource.

Katie: Good. I’ll be certain folks can discover that as properly. It will likely be within the present notes. Any parting recommendation for all of the mother and father listening earlier than we wrap up?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, you recognize, no one ever regrets getting assist. They solely remorse after they don’t. And in case your child is struggling within the tiniest means, you recognize, whether or not you wanna use “It’s Gonna Be Okay!” because the useful resource and precise ideas otherwise you wanna go to a licensed therapist, go. You realize, it’s solely gonna assist convey lifelong well being. And if we don’t have our psychological well being, we don’t have something. And it doesn’t actually matter all of the bodily issues that you’ve got, it’s gotta begin…all of it begins from inside. And that’s what we have to give attention to with our children is that mind-body connection, the bodily facet, all these stunning, holistic issues, nice meals that you simply’re giving your children, stunning houses, training, however you’ve gotta construct that inner resilience. And each dad or mum has the facility to do it.

Katie: And we’ve talked principally about children’ well being and psychological well being immediately. However I feel that’s one other essential level as we wrap up is, in some ways, we additionally should be the instance of this. And I do know many mothers who’ve some model of a well being downside that additionally bleeds over into psychological well being. And I feel it’s a really highly effective factor after we get the possibility to be the instance of that as a result of then our children additionally get to study by watching us work via a battle they usually get to see the resilience firsthand. So, I feel that’s such an essential level and an ideal place to wrap up. And such as you mentioned, I feel there might be complete different episodes associated simply to the tick-borne sickness facet, and to prevention, and to a complete lot of different facets of kids’s psychological well being. However we’ll wrap up right here for immediately. And in the event you guys have any follow-up questions for Dr. Roseann, please depart these on Instagram or within the feedback in order that if we are able to do a spherical 2 in the future, we are able to be certain we handle all of these issues. However I understand how busy you might be as a mother and a practitioner, and I’m actually grateful for you for being right here immediately and for sharing.

Dr. Roseann: Effectively, thanks a lot for supporting children and household psychological well being as a result of like I mentioned, it’s simply so essential and extra essential than ever proper now. And I would like folks to really feel like they will deal with themselves. And perceive, simply as you mentioned, self-care for mama is simply as essential because the love that we give our children and you’ll lead and present your children on such a deep stage that you simply love your self sufficient to deal with your self however you’ll additionally present them what you are able to do for your self by demonstrating that, so it’s so essential. Such an important dialog. Thanks, Katie.

Katie: Oh, thanks. And thanks as all the time to all of you guys for listening, and for sharing your most precious assets, your time, and your power with us immediately. We’re each so grateful that you simply did, and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the subsequent episode of the “Wellness Mama” podcast.

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